I am looking for people to play both games with. The games tend to be filled with lots of reactionaries so it can be hard to exist in them.
Like I get kicked a lot in tf2 for having a queer flag pfp, and it is hard to queue for group content in dark and darker if I don’t want to hear slurs.
literally none of them have spy or anything close to it for a start
overwatch fucked itself up so hard its barely playable now
xDefiant has a class with an invisibility skill (which lets one do plenty of shotgunning losers in the back)? Apex Legends has Mirage with various decoy and invisibility skills? idk, I don’t know every single one of these shooters, but I will grant you that the way the Spy works in TF2 is pretty unique.
a big issue is accessibility as well, a lot of those are organized around headshots and are much less clear visually, as well as requiring much stronger computers to play
so while tf2 has a fascist problem, it also has a lot of people i aint gonna leave behind