Meanwhile:

GCU The Gravitas Meme is so Last Year: I’m gonna sort out that extension event, then we should probably send a couple of Special Circumstances operatives to guide them in the right direction. In the past picosecond I’ve absorbed and analysed their global information net so know exactly what actions we need to take to give them the correct nudge.

Prodigy is in about the right time period too.

Might be worth letting the uni know. Surely they’ll want to fix the site!

That works. So it’s abortion not murder.

They had a black woman as a high ranking officer on the bridge in the 60s.

And yet I’m DS9 Bashir says that murdering a clone of yourself is still murder. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ But maybe that was Bayorian law.

Let That Be Your Last Battlefield wasn’t that bad.

Another Brexit Benefit

Fuck Nigel Frog face Farrage, The Haunted Victorian Pencil Jacob Rees-Mogg, Lord David Pig Fucker Cameron, Maybot, Boris I don’t care where I stick my Johnson, and all the rest of the Tories who either actively supported this or were to self interested to not rebel as their leaders doubled down on their Brexit folly again and again.

Excuses excuses.

The point of a team is that no one person is a point of failure.

Exactly. Tuvix is a potential single point of failure. You’re doubling your risk. Eggs and baskets.

Factoring in a hypothetical future scenario is spurious.

Why? It goes hand in hand with your point about points of failure. It’s something that would have had to be considered. Voyager wasn’t snug and safe in the alpha quadrant where they could just go to a starbase and get more crew members if they lost any.

And not one person has even tried to reconcile the speech to the Vidiians.

It’s right there in the speech I will do whatever is necessary to protect my people

At the end of the day the murder of Tuvix pales into insignificance compared to her out and out genocide of the Borg. All to protect her people and get them home.

I don’t personally think the murder of Tuvix was justifiable, but it’s definitely not an open and shut case. Janeway had to consider 150 people and their chances of surviving and getting home in one piece she also had to consider Tuvok and Neelix.

even addresses the “needs of the many” argument by stating the truth: the other two are gone and the new being is there.

articulate case for their life, and even addresses the “needs of the many” argument by stating the truth: the other two are gone and the new being is there

That only addresses the needs of Tuvok and Neelix. What about the rest of the crew whose chances of survival and reaching home are materially hindered by the effective loss of a crew member. Presumably Tuvix isn’t going to work 8 hours in the galley then straight away 8 hours on tactical. What if there’s an emergency that needs both skillets at the same time? What if Tuvix is killed in six months time on an away mission?

It’s true that Tuvok and Neelix were gone, but the option now existed to have them both back. So the fact that they were gone is reductive and inaccurate. Again ultimately Janeway has around 150 lives to think of, not just three.

The doctor straight up says that the procedure is unethical and refuses to do it.

Because he’s a doctor. I doubt he’d be able to order someone into a jefferies tube to fix an ODN conduit in an active warp plasma shaft. Yet that’s literally part of the bridge officers test. https://youtu.be/rC6rGoyEe2s?si=ho_FOBjSaUdTRurX

The question to me isn’t whether Janeway murder Tuvix, but was the murder of Tuvix justifiable. In Star Trek 2 Spock famously states “the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few” in TNG Thine Own Self Troy learns that sometimes an officer must order a crew member into a situation where they know that person isn’t coming back.

Does the situation Voyager was in and the creation of Tuvix represent the same level of danger “to the many” that say an imminent warp core breach does?

Fixed point in time

Could be worse

Apart from Tom Paris repeatedly being an idiot, that’s a constant

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Maybe the first comment was little dismissive, after that it was nice to have a r/daystruminstitute type conversation.

All of the traits you’ve described also very much fit PTSD as well.

To me taking a Watsonian approach to the character we she a woman who was forcibly taken by the Borg and assimilated at a very young age, then years later ripped away from that as well. That’s two extremely traumatic events( that we know of). Then following on we see the character years later at a point where she has somewhat worked though those traumas.

A Doyalist reading we can say it was the 90s and discussions around neuro-divergency and more general mental health were far less common in media. So we’re probably both over reading things.

Yes because that’s exactly what I said.

She’s closer to a feral child than ASD. I also don’t feel that she has spectrum traits when we meet her again in Picard.

Admirals Cornwell and Vance, are we nothing to you?

I don’t see Seven as ASD coded. She has levels of trauma that can sometimes be mistaken as ASD and has lived outside of regular human society for much of her life.

It’s one of those good children’s shows that’s been written with the understanding that parents will watch with their kids.