“You hate hotdogs? YOU MUST LOVE BURGERS THEN”

What are you even trying to say?

This is like trying to solve mental illness by making sickness illegal.

Make babies! It’s illegal to be lonely!

That’s good.

But there is definitely a cultural difference as well.

That said, it’s not like everyone in the west online is nice, but in western culture it has gotten MUCH better.

It wasn’t too long ago that every english speaking person in a video game chat was absolutely horrible. But today I encounter much more people online genuinely trying to be nice a constructive. Especially in games from studios that care.

And you can leave a negative review, and still be respectful. That isn’t what the majority are doing.

I hope that improves. China has a lack of truly wholesome devs that are also as successful as some western indies. Instead it is a hellscape of companies arguably worse than EA, Activision and Ubisoft.

Answer: Chinas gaming culture is toxic, and does not differentiate between indie and corporate pay-to-win live service bullshit. They are used to going straight to review bombs as the only way to make a point to developers.

He is.

Doesn’t mean we can’t take him out of context and use his words to advocate for more than just the things he thinks they advocate.

He has it right here. That he doesn’t fully know that is his problem.

The first is to defend the status quo.

I want change. I thought I made that clear.

What I don’t agree with, is laws being pointless. Their ideal is to use violence to reduce and prevent violence.

Human society needs that. Done well they are a net good.

And you’re just doing that with ideas you misunderstand so badly i can’t even bring myself to correct you on.

“You’re so wrong I can’t even describe it”, and you’re saying I’m the one trying to be edgy?

Really convenient excuse to not actually engage.

Things are sometimes simple though. Violence indeed bad. Best avoided. Not a good thing.

Yes.

Yet, it can be used to do good.

And doing so is not only possible, but necessary.

Youve clearly lived a very sheltered life and violence to you is just an abstraction. Youve never experienced the world so its really easy to imagine its all as flat and consequence free as your abstractions.

Ok? Figuring someone out, even if you pull it off, doesn’t invalidate their logic.

And you’re picking and choosing among the things I’ve said. I’m not gonna repeat myself by pointing out the contradictions in these conclusions with what you should know about me.

I’m going to stop now. I’m pretty sure you’re a troll at this point. You’ve only made less sense, as you enigmatically refuse to elaborate in favor of attempts to discredit rather than dismantle.

So to start off with, youre using one example of game theory, the prisoners dilemma, as a stand in for right/wrong.

I’m not. People can also co-operate to do bad things. The principle still applies.

You either screw over others for individual benefit, or co-operate for collective benefit. That collective benefit can still be bad and come at the cost of your group defecting against another. Like a nation going to war.

Or a small group in an advantaged position co-operating to enforce laws against a far larger group.

Your oversimplification is stuff like “laws bad” or “violence bad”. Far more egregious imo.

At least I apply logic that can be adapted to describe multiple scenarios, instead of boiling things down to flat statements.

Poetic. Unfortunately wordsmithing does not replace logic.

Violence is to defect.

A minority will always choose to defect, and they or their ability to do so must be removed.

This creates an incentive for co-operators to co-operate, by defecting against defectors en-masse. These are laws (or their ideal, rather). Whether you write them down and enact ceremony around them is inconsequential.

To wish for a system where all-defectors are not dealt with the only way which is effective, to defect back instead of co-operate in vain, is naive.

That you think I need to be told that that is still violence, even more so.

You call me childish, yet you make statements that so grossly simplify reality, that real discussion with you may be impossible.

No, you’re right. Murder being illegal hasn’t saved a single life. In any country. Ever.

/S

Whatever “justice” system you’ve been witness to, must have you seriously confused if it has you thinking it is the only one that can exist.

Bad systems should be removed. But their existence does not mean good systems are not possible.

And you will never see the real picture until you ditch simplifications like “laws bad”.

Don’t confuse what is with what could be.

Instinctively? No.

Due to learned experience and principles of game theory? Yes.

Don’t you try to find out which people will defect and which will co-operate, and act accordingly, instead of just screwing over everyone around you all the time?

Most people will co-operate as much as possible, and only retaliate if and when they are abused, and only against the individual or group that broke the chain of co-operation. This maximizes benefit in a way that far outweighs the cost.

Stop putting words in my mouth.

A better world.

And I happen to believe that humans will co-operate more than defect. And game-theory supports my view. Not yours.

You walked in saying people only ever defect. You’re wrong.

And before you twist my words again, no. I don’t think all-defectors can be turned into co-operators. They need to be removed. But their existence does not mean the rest of us have to be ones, too.

I think you’re confused about what it is I’m rejecting.

At the moment, in a lot cases, yes.

I reject the idea that that is the only possible state of things.

Let me paraphrase your comment: “world bad, good things only possible through bad”

I’m gonna go ahead and reject that, and ask that you re-evaluate whether you had something to contribute.

We’re gonna need new laws. This shit is creating new fucked up incentives to violate people.

“Hey… Nice mass surveillance system you got there, mind if I have a turn?”

It boggles my mind how some people thought privacy was worthless, and harmless to give up.

Sure does. Look at the store page.

They literally made it into a lil guy!

Those new controllers look like EXACTLY what I’ve been hoping for.

The Index controllers are great, unless your hands are big. Then they’re barely usable imo.

The best fit for me was the OG Oculus Touch controller, and these look like they stole everything about those that worked.

I am shocked.