Not ascribing the worst motivations to something is quite different than “seeing their point.”

I did address your second point. I said it was irrelevant.

I hope if someone starts saying something awful about you with no basis there aren’t people who thoughtlessly “see their point” for no reason.

A lot of people have a lot of stupid/bigoted opinions. Do you see all of their points too?

Your opinions of other shows are irrelevant to weather or not they have a valid point about this show.

That’s enough? Someone says something, anything, and you see their point?

This is not semantic at all. I’m asking for one example from Star Trek that allows you to “see the point” of someone that says it’s “woke,” “pushy,” “preachy,” or anything else along those lines.

If you’re unable to give an example you’ll have to forgive people for assuming the reason is the mere existence of the characters that makes them feel that way and that allows you to “see their point.”

To see their point you don’t need to agree with it but you do need to think there is some basis for it.

What is the basis for their point that allows you to see it?

To see their point, you would have to think there is at least something to it.

Their, and your, inability to support that point makes it nonsensical to me.

Why do you see their point? What is at least one example of “woke(nees)” or “push(iness)” that makes your see their point? Or do you just agree with them on a visceral level that requires no explanations?

If you see his point you should be able to give one example of “preaching” other than the characters existence.

Since these characters were introduced people have said what you’re saying over and over. Always with the same “I don’t have a problem with gay/trans/NB but…” disclaimer. Then they refuse to give examples of the characters doing anything other than existing. This thread is a good example. Please refresh my memory. Which episode(s) focus “on the social issues that surround homosexuality.”

Outside of the scene where Adira tells Stamets their pronouns and the use of those pronouns, give me one line, in one scene, in one episode, of one season that would have to be changed if Adira was a cis straight human woman hosting the symbiote of her deceased cis straight Trill boyfriend.

Give me one line, in one scene, in one episode, of one season that would have to be changed if either Stamets or Culber was a woman.

To be clear, although I don’t remember any, I’m not saying you couldn’t find any examples. I’m just curious what constitutes “forced and obvious” plot elements that are “advertisement(s) for ideologies” that “ruins the show” for you.

Without examples all anyone hears is you bitching about the existence of these characters the way Archie Bunker would have bitched about Uhura simply existing.