I’ve personally heard that Mjolnir works not great when it comes to admin things but the biggest problem that I’m aware is that Mjolnir does not really solve the problem for individuals with their rooms and spaces to moderate. I believe Draupnir (https://github.com/the-draupnir-project/Draupnir) is trying to help with this particular flaw with Mjolnir.
One of the other things in terms of T&S is that it is my understanding that the team is too small and the tooling to handle the reports of abuse on matrix.org are not good enough.
As for mod tools more concretely, I think that people who are admins of rooms or spaces should have the following abilities:
Clearer moderation roles
More interaction between permissions in rooms and spaces
Filters for slurs
Blocking homeservers (in case of abuse)
Reports that actually go to them
It should be noted that I’m not very familiar with the tools on matrix as I largely have little trust in my ability to moderate there.
It sounds like you are more concerned with the matrix.org homeserver than matrix itself. Matrix.org homeserver will eventually go away for personal use, this is the plan for the future. Matrix has always kept this homeserver open as proof of concept, but has not planned to keep it open forever as the goal is the widespread adoption of the protocol and for people and orgs to host their own servers and build tools using matrix.
The bullet points you listed are all currently able to be realized on any self-hosted homeserver.
It sounds like you are more concerned with the matrix.org homeserver than matrix itself.
No. The foundation also has massive influence in how the clients and protocol develop. These tools that I’m talking about are not built-in for matrix, they’re largely exclusive to instance admins through mjolnir or require the usage of bots. This is not a good state of affairs.
Matrix.org homeserver will eventually go away for personal use, this is the plan for the future.
I don’t believe this is true. I’ve never read such a thing.
The bullet points you listed are all currently able to be realized on any self-hosted homeserver.
Not every room or space will be hosted by someone self-hosting their server. I find it kind of appalling that this would be the solution. It’s certainly not what I’ve heard from people working on projects around moderation.
Not every room or space will be hosted by someone self-hosting their server. I find it kind of appalling that this would be the solution. It’s certainly not what I’ve heard from people working on projects around moderation.
This is somewhat the goal, but without the hyperbole. Homeservers will be hosted by individuals or orgs, but will contain many rooms and spaces each. In 2020 there were over 20,000 homeservers. That number has without a doubt grown exponentially. The concept is the same with Mastodon. If you are worried about moderation on the matrix.org homeserver there are many lists of public homeservers across the web. Many people research homeservers to see if they are a good fit for them just as they do Mastodon instances.
This blog post gives a good idea of where matrix is heading. Notice their mission of decentralization.
Since agglomeration around a single instance is against the goals of Matrix and its Foundation, users need to have a way out and incentives to move.
We are committed both to making Matrix more accessible, and to doing the work to decenter the Matrix.org homeserver.
Matrix.org is meant to be an entry point, not a stopping point. As to your concern regarding built-in tools, matrix is just a spec, an open source federated communication protocol based on HTTP. The community builds tools. Matrix is not discord. In fact it is in opposition to the discord philosophy of centralization, data mining, advertising, and AI training.
I’m curious as to how you would improve the mod tools Lionir. I have found mod/admin tools and especially Mjolnir to be quite good.
I’ve personally heard that Mjolnir works not great when it comes to admin things but the biggest problem that I’m aware is that Mjolnir does not really solve the problem for individuals with their rooms and spaces to moderate. I believe Draupnir (https://github.com/the-draupnir-project/Draupnir) is trying to help with this particular flaw with Mjolnir.
One of the other things in terms of T&S is that it is my understanding that the team is too small and the tooling to handle the reports of abuse on matrix.org are not good enough.
As for mod tools more concretely, I think that people who are admins of rooms or spaces should have the following abilities:
It should be noted that I’m not very familiar with the tools on matrix as I largely have little trust in my ability to moderate there.
It sounds like you are more concerned with the matrix.org homeserver than matrix itself. Matrix.org homeserver will eventually go away for personal use, this is the plan for the future. Matrix has always kept this homeserver open as proof of concept, but has not planned to keep it open forever as the goal is the widespread adoption of the protocol and for people and orgs to host their own servers and build tools using matrix.
The bullet points you listed are all currently able to be realized on any self-hosted homeserver.
No. The foundation also has massive influence in how the clients and protocol develop. These tools that I’m talking about are not built-in for matrix, they’re largely exclusive to instance admins through mjolnir or require the usage of bots. This is not a good state of affairs.
I don’t believe this is true. I’ve never read such a thing.
Not every room or space will be hosted by someone self-hosting their server. I find it kind of appalling that this would be the solution. It’s certainly not what I’ve heard from people working on projects around moderation.
This is somewhat the goal, but without the hyperbole. Homeservers will be hosted by individuals or orgs, but will contain many rooms and spaces each. In 2020 there were over 20,000 homeservers. That number has without a doubt grown exponentially. The concept is the same with Mastodon. If you are worried about moderation on the matrix.org homeserver there are many lists of public homeservers across the web. Many people research homeservers to see if they are a good fit for them just as they do Mastodon instances.
This blog post gives a good idea of where matrix is heading. Notice their mission of decentralization.
Since agglomeration around a single instance is against the goals of Matrix and its Foundation, users need to have a way out and incentives to move.
We are committed both to making Matrix more accessible, and to doing the work to decenter the Matrix.org homeserver.
Matrix.org is meant to be an entry point, not a stopping point. As to your concern regarding built-in tools, matrix is just a spec, an open source federated communication protocol based on HTTP. The community builds tools. Matrix is not discord. In fact it is in opposition to the discord philosophy of centralization, data mining, advertising, and AI training.